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Piers Morgan: Israel's right to defend itself against a horrific terrorist attack has become something that has crossed any line, and that is why this war has got to end.
One year after he spoke to me from a hospital inside Gaza, I'm joined by the American medic Dr. Mosab Nasser. Well, Dr. Nasser, great to have you back on Uncensored, albeit in even more appalling circumstances than the last time we spoke. Just tell me what it's like there right now in Gaza—what you're hearing, what you're seeing, what the reality is—because international journalists like me aren't allowed in. As I keep berating Prime Minister Netanyahu, if you want people to believe what you're saying about this, let the international journalists in. But they don't, so we're reliant on very scant detail other than people like you who really know.
Dr. Mosab Nasser: Thank you, Piers, for having me again. It's been a year since we talked. I believe last time was May 2024, when I was actually at the European Hospital in Gaza. That hospital was recently bombed, and many civilians were killed in that attack. You've asked me how it is in Gaza today. The best example I can tell you, as someone who lives in Texas, is that the Israelis, unfortunately, or the Israeli army, treat the Palestinians in Gaza like animals. Almost like a game hunting ranch in Texas, where you have these high fenced ranches with exotic animals where hunters go and chase these animals from one side of the fence to the other and kill these animals. That's unfortunately how the Israeli army treats the Palestinians in Gaza today today: like game. And you can actually see the gratification on their faces when they hunt a child, or a woman, or destroy a school or a kindergarten. It is very sad that we've reached this reality at this point in history where people are treated like animals. This is what we have heard at the beginning of the war, that Palestinians are "human animals", and they have been treated as such for the past almost two years now, while the entire world is watching. Probably this is the best example I can give, as someone who lives in Texas and sees how hunters go to these ranches to chase game - that's what we see in Gaza today.
Piers Morgan: I know you have huge amounts of family and friends in Gaza. How many have lost their lives, people that are close to you?
Dr. Mosab Nasser: So far, personally — my entire family is in Gaza — I have lost 74 members so far. One of them actually was my mother, she died last year, almost a year ago. And I also just lost my nephew, who was 20 years old, who had a life ahead of him, such a handsome, intelligent, bright young man, who went - again like game in Texas - he went to look for food for his family, and he was targeted in an Israeli airstrike, and he died of shrapnel in the chest and the head. And in fact, he died between his father's arms, he bled to death. And by the time the ambulance arrived, he was declared dead. So, this is the reality, so far 74 members of my family have been lost in this vicious war. I can tell you as a Palestinian and I lead a humanitarian organization, and we try as much as we can to be neutral and unbiased in our judgement, but we're left with no choice but to speak up. And I can tell you on a daily basis of children being amputated, malnourished, head injuries, many are burned alive, until... Last night we say those images coming out of Gaza. I can tell you, show me the gas chambers, honestly. The death in a gas chamber is a hundred times more merciful than being burnt alive in an Israeli fire. That is the reality where we are today. So we are looking at the holocaust live on 4K screens, and our politicians, our human rights organizations, our celebrities, are just watching and feeling helpless. I don't know if they endorse it, or they can't speak up; but it’s time to speak up, You cannot just sit on the sidelines watching this horrific murder take place right in front of our eyes and then a hundred years from now say, "Well, we wish we'd done something about that." This is the moment.
Piers Morgan: As you know, for Israel’s argument—that they are on a mission to take out Hamas, which continues to operate among civilians—and that collateral damage is inevitable—they claim it’s justified because they are defending themselves against a terrorist threat of enormous scale. What is your response?
Dr. Mosab Nasser: Piers, if that’s really the case, then this is the most failed military operation in history. You have one of the most sophisticated armies in the world, with the most sophisticated technologies, they can go and surgically get to Hamas terrorists from Gaza or in Gaza if they want to. But that is not the case. What we see is deliberate targeting of schools, of homes. My nephew was not Hamas, is not even a Hamas supporter. He went to look for food and he was killed, along with 24 innocent people like him who were waiting in line for food their families. It is a trophy hunt. It has absolutely nothing to do with Hamas today. It is basically a clear and obvious ethnic cleansing and only someone that lives in denial or who is honestly and completely crazy would believe otherwise.
Piers Morgan: I’ve resisted the call for many that it's a genocide, on the basis that it seemed to me that Israel for a long time I've believed had a fundamental right to defend itself, and that's what they were doing. But when I listen to figures like Smotrich, one of the more right-wing of a very right-wing cabinet, under Netanyahu, talking the other day, he was talking speaking in clear genocidal language, it was unarguable. And when you look at what is happening on the ground in Gaza, I don't see any plan other than the apparent total disintegration of all infrastructure and the killing of as many people as possible. All under the pretext that they say they are only going after Hamas and doing so in as humane a way as possible. It just doesn't seem that what we are seeing on a daily basis and hearing on a daily basis represents that pretext at all. And I see no endgame. I don't understand what Israel's plan is here other than Smotrich says which is to clear everybody out. That is genocide. If you eradicate a people from their home based on ethnicity, that is a genocide. So all those who have been calling it that, and I’ve been resisting I now find it almost possible to disagree what we are witnessing.
Dr. Mosab Nasser: You've come a long way, Piers, and I admire you and I respect that you've changed your position on what's happening in Gaza. As I say it's obvious you can't really deny the fact that what’s happening is a genocide, what’s happening is an ethnic cleansing of an entire population. It’s undeniable: the mass starvation of children, the malnutrition that the children of Gaza are facing. We've just evacuated five children out of Gaza to Texas for treatment. One of them went straight to the ICU from Gaza - malnourished, broken bones, amputated arm. It’s horrific. I carried those children between my arms all the way from Egypt, first evacuated from Gaza to Egypt, and then to the US. It's heartbreaking to see these children having to suffer that level of suffering for absolutely no reason. This is not a war about Hamas. This is not a war about Israel defending itself. This is simply clear ethnic cleansing. I’m not a lawyer or an attorney to give a label for what is happening, but many of the historians and many of the lawyers have basically described what’s in Gaza happening as a genocide. In fact the food distribution plan that Israel is enforcing, and forcing upon humanitarian aid organizations today, clearly reflects that this is basically an ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. Having the Palestinian household or family members to go and pick their aid from a specific location that's high fenced with checkpoints, effectively again it is another reason for Israel to kidnap more Palestinians and for them to disappear forever.
I still have many of my colleagues from Nasser Hospital who have been kidnapped since the start of the war. These doctors have never come back. Dr. Hassam Abu Safia, for example, he fought for his patients until the last second. No one knows where his whereabout. All the news indicates that he’s being tortured in Israeli jails. Many many amazing doctors, had absolutely nothing to do with Hamas, just disappeared. The targeting of journalists, aid workers, the targetting of children - what does that have to do with Hamas. Again as I said if you cannot defeat Hamas throughout all this time, after 16/17 months, then to me that is the most failed military operation in history.
Piers Morgan: Well it's clearly not working because he hostages haven't been released. They should be, absolutely should be, which means the military operation by Israel's forces to secure the release just isn't working, this strategy just does not work.